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Monday, April 11, 2016

Natural Born Citizen Defined by SCOTUS

Natural Born Citizen Defined by SCOTUS

‘No person except a natural-born citizen…shall be eligible to the office of President,’ …
Is Barack Obama a natural born citizen? That question is not being asked by anyone in Congress, nor the press nor broadcast media, nor academia. Even though the answer is “No”.
That question has been assumed to have never arisen in any previous Supreme Court case and been adjudicated. But the answer to it has been hidden in a case that’s 135 years old and has now finally been brought to light by Leo Donofrio, Esq. He demonstrates how it clearly answers the question and that that answer indicates that the current President is ineligible for the office.
In it he disproves the common belief that the Supreme Court has never defined who is (and isn’t) a “natural born citizen” -which is required of the President and Vice-President. The resulting conclusion is that Barack Obama is not eligible to be the U.S. President according to the Supreme Court decision in Minor v Happersett.
following is a condensation of an analysis by Leo Donofrio, Esq. posted on his blog Natural Born Citizen http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ in June, 2011
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Comments:
[Note: One who is born to unnaturalized parents is deemed a US citizen by the 14th Amendment if the parent(s) are permanent U.S. residents, and not foreign diplomats/military/visitors, but they are NOT deemed to be natural born citizens.]
~LeoD:
When Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark failed to state that he was citing the dissent from Dred Scott… a big red flag went up. Another big red flag went up when I noticed that Gray wrongfully attributed Justice Waite’s analysis of the citizenship issue in Minor v Happersett to a construction of the 14th Amendment, -but Waite construed Article 2 Section 1 [of the Constitution] to define Minor’s citizenship, not the 14th Amendment.
That Gray was trying to obscure that fact made me very suspicious and then the light just went on. It was a very big A-ha! moment for me. Gray’s obfuscation triggered my BS detector and then I realized that he was blowing smoke on precedent from Minor.
You have to recall that Chester Arthur became President not long after Minor was decided… and he would have known that the Minor decision held him ineligible.  He then goes on to obscure his parental heritage via lies, especially to the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper. Justice Gray is then appointed by Arthur to the Supreme Court. This requires us to scrutinize every word written by Gray. – Leo
If Obama had been born a natural born Citizen of the United States, under Article II Section 1, then he never would have needed the 14th Amendment to claim U.S. citizenship.(!)
… And yet he did claim his citizenship was based on the 14th Amendment!
The Obama campaign initially claimed Obama: “became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment”:
“The truth about Barack’s birth certificate.
Lie: Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen
Truth: Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment.”
US Constitution; Article II, Sec. 1. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Why did the Obama campaign take a “14th Amendment” defense, but then later scrub all references to the 14th Amendment?
Perhaps because they realized that claiming “Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment” OUTED HIM AS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
LeoD. Their scrubbing is very telling. At the very least, you have to take notice that so called “Factcheck” seems to change their facts quite a bit. –
Leo:  I quote the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v. Happersett:
“The Fourteenth Amendment did not affect the citizenship of women any more than it did of men. In this particular, therefore, the rights of Mrs. Minor do not depend upon the amendment. She has always been a citizen from her birth and entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizenship. The amendment prohibited the state, of which she is a citizen, from abridging any of her privileges and immunities as a citizen of the United States, but it did not confer citizenship on her. That she had before its adoption.”
Someone who is a “natural born citizen” does not need the 14th amendment to claim U.S. citizenship.
The only reason for the Obama campaign to claim that “Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment” is because he was not, and is not, a natural born citizen.
In Boyd, the Court lists another case which refers to Waite, but this one is properly cited to include the case name, whereas the case name is omitted from the citation pointing to Minor :
“In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 92 U. S. 549, Mr. Chief Justice Waite, delivering the opinion of the Court, said:
‘Citizens are the members of the political community to which they belong. They are the people who compose the community, and who, in their associated capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of a government for the promotion of their general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as their collective rights.’
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Brianroy Says:
July 1, 2011
The Naturalization Act of 1790 sought to “complete” the intent of what lay in the term “natural born citizen” as it was used in the US Constitution’s Article 2,.Sec.1. clause, and should be cited as Original Intent and “in pari materia.”
The naturalization act of 1790 reveals, in effect, that “natural born citizens of the United States” were:  [note; there is no such term as that.  There is only “natural born citizen”, and it is never connected to “the United States” because natural citizenship was the result of natural State citizenship, -with each State being sovereign over naturalization and immigration at the authoring of the Constitution.]
-all those who had only one nationality and allegiance at the time of their birth to a father who was a US citizen at that time.
In Section 1, any citizen that naturalized to the United States (and who could then father a natural born son) was required to “forever [be free of] all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever.”
This was so important it was repeated. In Section 2, any citizen that naturalized to the United States was required to “support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever”.
In Ware v. Hylton, 3 U.S. 3 Dall. 199 (1796)
we find how that we are supposed to read the US Constitution, in its literal context.
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“When we collect the intention from the words only, as they lie in the writing before us, it is a literal interpretation, and indeed if the words and the construction of a writing are clear and precise, we can scarce call it interpretation to collect the intention of the writer from thence. The principal rule to be observed in literal interpretation is to follow that sense, in respect both of the words and the construction which is agreeable to common use.”
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“…This principle is recognized by the Constitution….”
“The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives and Senators, but not for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.”
[~Common words and common sense; “citizen” = common word; “born” = common word; “natural” = common word; together = common language expression, -NOT a “legal term of art”, aka a legal artifice, as in a legal artificiality.
No legal term of art is connected to anything that is natural by definition. Hence, the phrase “a natural born citizen” means the same as its alternate: “a born natural citizen”. Two adjectives modifying one noun, each with their own separate meaning.
That is common sense based on common language, as mentioned in the 1796 court opinion quoted above. In fact, it is the constitutionally *required* view. As it states, no interpretation is used because the only interpretation is a literal interpretation.]
“…at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was … a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.”
Justice Waite cited Article 2 Section 1, affirming the clear language that none but a natural-born citizen may be President. Waite pointed to that clause as well as the Naturalization clause empowering Congress as evidence that new citizens may be created by birth or naturalization. Clearly, persons who gain their citizenship from a naturalization statute are thereby NATURALIZED.  [note: and that is where his logic became defective due to erroneous presumption regarding the authority of Congress, the meaning of natural born citizen, and the phase being included in a naturalization statute.  It’s inclusion had nothing to do with naturalization and everything to do with presidential eligibility and the foreign-born Americans’ right to it.  They are the “new citizens…created by BIRTH”! not  by naturalization.]
At the time of their birth, naturalized persons [it is a treasonous characterization to call American children “naturalized persons”.  One who is born being a natural citizen cannot be “made” into that which they already are.] under the Naturalization Act of 1790 were entitled to US citizenship BECAUSE they were simultaneously naturalized by the statute at the time of their birth.
[ “Naturalized persons” were all foreign ADULT MEN who swore the oath, NOT BABIES!  American babies, off-spring of American couples, have NEVER been “made” citizens by the authority of any naturalization act! They were NOT entitled to citizenship because of naturalization at birth.  They were entitled by Right of birth, by Right of birthright, by Right of descent, by Right of inheritance.  “…and the RIGHT of CITIZENSHIP shall not DESCEND…”.
Rights are NOT given by Congress, its statutes, or any element of government.  People are born with them as an elemental feature of human existence. One is the Right of Inheritance, which includes one’s station in life and national membership.  Government does not give it and cannot revoke it.]
Hence, they are not natural born. They require a statute to grant them citizenship.
see it here: [you can’t see it there because what he claimed does not exist in or between the lines.  See for yourself.]
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=227
[nash notes: No one gains U.S. citizenship from any statute. They gain it from the Oath of Allegiance & Renunciation alone. It is the power of the oath that makes citizens. Only with it does one become a citizen, -without it there is no citizenship because Congress was given no authority to create citizens, -only to write the nation-wide rule to make the naturalization process uniform across all States.]
In 1795, Congress repealed the words “natural born” from that statute and those words never returned. [that is incorrect. It repealed the entire act because it replaced it with a new one which switched to the general title of “citizen of the United States” [as apposed to: foreigner] since it included citizen-born children in the same sentence as those of naturalized foreigners (who could not be described as “natural born”.
Drawing no distinction between the citizen-born and the alien-born resulted from erasing the language fueling a controversy about the nature of citizenship in America.  Those born of alien immigrants in America were thereby no longer openly excluded from presidential eligibility as they had been while the foreign-born American children were required to be understood to be natural born citizens, -meaning by patrilineal descent, –not native-birth.  If they were natural born then the native-born of immigrant aliens were NOT!  But there were tens of thousands of them while there were hardly any American children born abroad.]
So, in 1875 when Minor was decided, the current naturalization act did not contain the words “natural born”, which had been previously repealed in 1795. It simply made those born abroad “citizens”. [again, it didn’t “make” them anything. It ordered that they be recognized as Americans (as apposed to foreigners).]
Justice Waite also stated:“These provisions thus enacted have, in substance, been retained in all the naturalization laws adopted since.”
The key words here are, “in substance”. While the words, “natural born” were repealed in 1795, the following naturalization statutes granted “citizenship”, and “citizenship” is the “substance” of all naturalization acts of the US, not Presidential eligibility.
[again, no naturalization statute has “granted” citizenship. They merely recognize citizenship that has come into being by the oath.]
That was the only time in our national history where a federal statute contained the words “natural born citizen”.
Congress does not have the power to amend the Constitution or to define any term therein by statute. This may only be done by an Amendment.
[~that is a false characterization. He is arguing that the very first Congress, composed of many of the founding fathers and framers of the Constitution, knew less about what they were doing than back-seat drives two hundred years later pontificating at their computers.
Understand this; that first Congress sought to remedy a short-coming of the Constitution. It lacked any indication of what was the basis of citizenship in the United States: place of birth or parentage?
The founders understood that at the national level, it was no longer the British criterion of birth-place. That had been dropped by switching to Natural Law, and Natural Rights. That meant that American men took their American sovereignty with them everywhere in the world. Their rights, and their children’s rights, did not cease at water’s edge. “Like father, like son” was the new national rule, and it did NOT contain the caveat “if born within U.S. borders”.
Thus the only reason to single out American children born abroad in the 1790 act and label them as natural born citizens and not simply “citizens of the United States” (as the children of naturalized men were labeled) was to defend and protect their right to one day serve, like their American father could, as the leader of their nation, and not be disenfranchised based on the bastardized system of the British.
“Father, you can be President, so why can’t I?” That is a question that no founder had to hear once it was made clear in the 1790 that his child was a natural born citizen regardless of the irrelevant location of his birth.
Note that that first Congress did not “define” what a natural born citizen is. They did not need to because everyone knew what was NOT a natural born citizen. The problem was that with a century of British nationality indoctrination under the common law, everyone did not know exactly what constituted a natural born citizen because they didn’t understand the principle of natural membership found in natural law.
Just as the founders had jettisoned the term “subject”, they had also jettisoned the rule of “natural-born” that attached to it (hyphen included); which required birth within the king’s borders, -stripping his subjects of the right to pass their British nationality to their children if they crossed beyond the boundaries of his realm.
Americans rejected such an arbitrary, artificial rule of nationality and instead switched to the principle of natural nationality inheritance by blood connection. ]
Justice Waite, citing Article 2 Section 1 for authority, stated that citizens may be born . [~that was meaninglessly ambiguous; born a citizen by the common law rule covering foreigners? or born a citizen by being citizen-born?]
Chief Justice Waite also noted that new citizens may be naturalized by federal statute.
[that was a misconception that grew over time as the camel’s nose of federal authority pushed its way into the tent of the States’ authority over all matters not delegated to Congress, i.e., immigration and naturalization.]
Persons, who at their birth, require a naturalization statute are not natural born, but they are “born citizens” due to their naturalization at birth. Therefore, while there are only two paths to citizenship, birth or naturalization… some persons who are not “natural-born citizens” are “born citizens” due to having received their citizenship by virtue of a statute such as the naturalization statute of 1790, 1795, etc.
So, under the 1790 act, while those persons might be “considered as” natural born citizens, such consideration derives via statue, not from the Constitution.
[~that entire line of reasoning is based on false assumptions. It assumes that Congress was given authority that it was not actually given. It assumes that American citizens are not sovereign but instead the government is sovereign over its creators, and can dictate what their rights are or are not.
It assumes that Americans are aliens, foreigners, if not born within American borders. That was the rule of the British common law, NOT Natural Law.
If Americans are not under the principles of Natural Law then we are not under the principles of Natural Rights either, because that latter comes with the former. That would mean that we have no unalienable rights and that Government is God.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t assert that Americans have certain unalienable rights and then assert that Government can dictate that those rights only exist if they are in accord with inherited bastardized British nationality rules involving an arbitrary factor unrelated to life, family, and natural membership.
If the law of natural belonging is the law of America, then the location of where one is born is irrelevant because one belongs to their parents by natural right; and they belong to their nation, -thus making their child also a member of the same national family by birth, by blood connection, by descent, and not by statutory adoption via a naturalization-at-birth fiction.]
Hence, regardless of the statutory terminology, those persons are naturalized and therefore do not meet the qualifications to be President. Justice Waite did not say that naturalized persons were eligible to be President. He noted that the Constitution provided citizenship to natural-born citizens and to naturalized citizens, but in his opinion he states directly that only natural-born citizens may be President.
[~what garbage. “in his opinion”? It is not an opinion. It is a fact. How stupid. Even worse is the baseless claim that the Constitution provides citizenship to anyone. Where the heck is that found? Oh, nowhere! Even the 14th Amendment does not provide citizenship. It is merely declaratory in nature, -stating what already was a fact by principle, although unacknowledged by the Southern States (that Blacks were not non-citizens, non-Americans but something inferior, like denizens were in Britain, or worse.]
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wyzwurd Says:
July 1, 2011
Important Information? Yes!
Matters to every American? Yes!
Should courts or congress listen? Yes!
Will courts or congress listen? No!
Why? Because they’re effin’ morons.
Being under the rule of morons is like being stuck in between two walls of concrete that are too high to climb over and moving at you slow enough that you have time to think of ways out but at the same time you realize there’s no way out. Just like the two walls, they’re not intelligent, they don’t care, and they’re controlled by other forces.
Your reference to the Panama Canal Zone being “rented US territory” is correct, and that is what makes McCain not a natural born citizen. Panama, not the US, was the sovereign of the Canal Zone. If we were the sovereign, we would not have been paying Panama an annual rent. Furthermore, the treaty with Panama said that the US was to administer the Canal Zone as if it were sovereign.
Now, it can be argued that McCain was born free of a foreign allegiance, which is the same condition as a natural born citizen (born in the US to US citizen parents), since Panama did not give citizenship to children born in Panama to foreigners. Now, Panamanian law does give these children the option of becoming Panamanian citizens at the age of majority, but it can be argued that this does not constitute a foreign allegiance at birth.
So, if the question of McCain’s eligibility had gone to the US Supreme Court, and if the court were to have ruled as to the intent of the natural born citizen clause (having Presidents who were born free of foreign allegiance), McCain could have been ruled eligible to be President, despite not being a natural born citizen. But I don’t think McCain wanted to take a chance that the US Supreme Court would rule per the intent of the Founding Fathers (where he could be ruled eligible) as opposed to the letter of the law (where he would be ruled ineligible).
Leo is right about McCain. McCain knew he was not a natural born citizen and he did not want to chance his eligibility. He put his own interests ahead of that of our nation, and by so doing, he shut off the public scrutiny that would have exposed Obama’s ineligibility.
[~that view is exactly the reason why the first Congress of the United States mandated that all foreign-born Americans be recognized as the natural citizens that they are. If later Congresses had not been ignorant of that motive, they would have left that mandate intact, and the question of McCain’s eligibility would be non-existent.]
ed. Regardless, SCOTUS in order to find for McCain being eligible, would have been required to expand the “class” of those defined as nbc in Minor, they would have had to expressly overrule Minor on that point because in that case the definition was set to be nbc= born in US to citizen parents… and McCain does not fit that description. – Leo
[~that is a view that I have debunked a hundred times over, and easily so since it is entirely based on false assumptions that are easily exposed. “overrule Minor”? Minor offered no definition!. There was none to be found in its final holding. NBC has never been “defined” by any court holding. And probably never will be.]
What a July 4th! The fireworks show I saw with my daughters was spectacular, yet there were no patriotic speeches, nothing to distinguish the day from any other, except for some patriotic music and songs containing the word `America` among the pop culture morass. Will it be our last 4th as a Republic – or has our republic already ended?
Today, despite our nation’s debt-riddled condition, Obama is actually calling for more government spending and higher taxes to “cure” the economic crisis. His theory is that we can “spend and tax our way to prosperity.” Following Obama’s logic, America’s obesity epidemic can be solved by raising the benchmark weight ceiling, or simply declaring “Eat More/Weigh Less!” We can solve the DUI problem by raising the blood alcohol ceiling. Obama can solve the question of his re-election by raising the poverty ceiling to increase the number of welfare dependents.
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comments by A.R. Nash
Jus Sanguinis was clarified in that decision as being the principle of how citizenship is naturally transmitted. It was the principle that led the United States government to oppose conferring citizenship on Wong Kim Ark who believed he was a citizen based on the 14th Amendment. He did not believe he was a natural born citizen, and he wasn’t, even though the court found that he was a citizen per the 14th Amendment and that jus sanguinis didn’t apply in the cases of children of resident immigrants. But such cases are only a fraction of a fraction of the births in America. All the rest are citizens by birth to citizens.
The conceptual delusion that nationality is naturally connected to the border of the national government within which one is born is preposterous, and the framers were NOT suffering from that delusion when they added the requirement that a President must be no one who is not a natural born citizen.
Their focus wasn’t on where a candidate was born but to whom he was born. No taint of foreign nationality could be allowed to be in the President’s immediate background. He must be 100% American. That didn’t exclude children born to foreigners but they first had to utterly disengage from and reject their former national bonds before their son was born.
Why such a strong rejection of foreign allegiance? Because of the position of the United States that an immigrant’s U.S. citizenship and allegiance must be absolutely undivided and not in competition with any other allegiance. Foreign un-naturalized fathers cannot produce natural-born citizen children because without an American father there exists, along with natural membership in the father’s country, the taint of foreign allegiance -even if none actually exists.
PR wrote: “”you’re missing the key element upon which every republic depends – an acceptance of the fact that you can’t “get your way” if your way is contrary to what is officially the Law. Your legal reality is delusional”
What’s delusional is believing that if enough people believe a false impression, that makes it true. Truth by consensus. The majority opinion is always the Truth?
That is the basis of racist beliefs and prejudices of all kinds. If everyone around you believe something, then it must be true? That is inherently false logic.
As to “the key element upon which every republic depends” the most fundamental key is the ability of WE, THE PEOPLE to think! And NOT accept unquestioningly every common conception inside and outside of the government.
Washington lives in a bubble, along with the concepts of immigration law based on misinterpretation of cases like Wong Kim Ark. Jus soli common law citizenship may be the governing rule in administering immigration law and regulations, but it doesn’t follow that its basis is founded on an understanding of the fundamental principles of citizenship, -principles that have existed in all societies except those within the British Isles (post-the Calvin case) and subject colonies of Empires.
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There are basically three types of citizens; those who are legal citizens by statutory decree, those who are natural citizens by inheritance of the citizenship of their parents, and those who are natural-ized citizens who must be transformed through a discreet process from being aliens, or immigrants, into imitation natural citizens.
Natural citizens are children born to citizens, just as in nature every off-spring embodies the traits and nature of their parents. Where their off-spring are born is immaterial. Animals reproduce their own kind, and citizens reproduce their own kind.
~reply from: Leo Donofrio Esq. website: Natural Born Citizen
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Your reply demonstrated your total confusion about the case. You claimed the court did not settle the issue of who is a natural born citizen when anyone who can think can read the plain wording that states that what they didn’t settle was the issue of citizenship of those who are not natural born citizens but are children of residents who lacked citizen parents.
[~he failed to grasp that both are true. The court settled nothing in any actually definitive manner. It merely acknowledged that those born of Americans in America are also naturally Americans. That offers no boundary whatsoever as to the limits of who is a natural born citizen since it only addresses a single circumstance and no others.]
Then you went on to strongly argue points that I’ve always agreed with. Why? But drawing some erroneous conclusions. You fail to grasp the fact that a natural born citizen is not defined by jus soli nor jus sanguinis but by BOTH! One MUST be born in the U.S. to CITIZEN PARENTS. Any deviation results in something other than a natural born citizen.
[His response demonstrates a rigidly regimented legal mind-set, -one in which everything is determined, defined, and delineated by the almighty LAW, -as is a very common disease of lawyers via their law school indoctrination.
And what precisely is that “something other”? He failed to grasp that such a definition is a blanket cancellation of the natural RIGHTS of all sovereign American citizens to pass their American citizenship to their children, -and that would be because…. the government has the right to strip Americans of their God-given unalienable rights?
Where in the Constitution did the founders grant the government such authority? Read the 9th & 10th Amendments. All rights not delegated to the central government are retained by the States or the People. The government has no say in the matter.
It was up to the States or the People, and the People were never asked since their rights were automatic. Thus there are no federal laws by which natural Americans are citizens of the United States. It is simply one of the “given” foundation stones of the republic. It is an “a priori” fact.
Americans produce American children. Government is not involved and has no say in the matter anymore than it has a say as to whether or not Americans have a right to have and own their own children. Where is that right written down? Rights that are fundamental do not need writing.]
“the Supreme Court in Minor did not hold that all women born in the US were citizens. Only those born to citizen parents in the US were deemed to be citizens by the Court in Minor.
[~actually, the court did not “hold” anything regarding women except that the Constitution, including the 14th Amendment, did not give women the right to vote.
It observed that American women born of American parents were American citizens, -whatever the heck that meant in reality is another story.
The fact that they almost universally were born in the U.S. was not an element intrinsic to whether or not they were American citizens. It was merely a part of the description of who definitely is a natural born citizen. It was not listed as some sort of requirement that he erroneously portrays it to be.
Is one not a member of their parents’ family unless they were born on their property and not born somewhere else? The same principle applies regarding membership in a country and nation.]
Since the Court was not required to construe the 14th Amendment – as to Mrs. Minor’s citizenship – the Court refrained from doing so. Instead, the Court construed Article 2 Section 1 as an independent ground by which the Court determined that Mrs. Minor was a natural-born citizen since she had been born in the US to parents who were citizens.
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[I’ve written at some length in recent expositions regarding the placement of a hyphen between the word “natural” and the word “born” and what it signifies. It is a very significant thing, and yet he totally failed to comprehend that fact and the reasons for it.
That exposes his mind-set as being wholly British oriented, and not American oriented. He, like so many thousands of lawyers before him, was brain-washed by the ingrained nature of the transplanted British nationality model that prevailed throughout the colonies.
It remained the law in many or most of them following the Declaration of Independence, but when the new national government was formed after the Constitution was ratified in 1788, that new government abandoned that stinking system in favor of natural law.
From then until the Wong opinion of the Supreme Court in 1898, there was a divergence and conflict between State citizenship law and national citizenship law and policy. The national government did not recognize common law citizenship. Only natural citizenship and naturalized citizenship. They alone produced a single nationality, single allegiance and loyalty, a single American identity.
They did so by rejecting dual-citizenship, -which the States did not. They welcomed immigration and made the native-born children of immigrants State citizens at birth. But that citizenship was not natural citizenship since it came with an inherited allegiance to a foreign power through their natural connection to a foreign father, -dual allegiance, dual roots, dual authority, and dual citizenship.
No such child was eligible to serve as the Commander of the American military and President of the United States.
by Adrien Nash revised & expanded greatly in May 2014, March 2015, and July 2015
obama–nation.com
 

17 comments:

smrstrauss said...


Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen and hence eligible, which is of course why the Chief Justice of the United States swore him in after each election, and it is also why Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and the Republican Party did not object. (Neither did Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or the National Review or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or Ron Paul or Rand Paul or Michele Bachmann.)

The reason is clear: (1) Obama really was born in Hawaii despite birther lies attempting to disprove it (and in fact the evidence for his birth in Hawaii is overwhelming); (2) EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born US citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of invading enemy armies.


“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

More reading on the subject:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

Subterranean Homesick News said...

Thank you for your comment. A list of establishment lackeys is no proof of anything, and the evidence that you claim is overwhelming in Hawaii is sadly lacking. Perhaps we can ask Ms. Loretta Fuddy as she is the one who certified the birth certificate of Obama. Oh well she is no longer available for questioning as she was the only one of 9 that died when the plane crashed. There is a bit of mystery in that crash, and in her death. It should also be noted that she would not allow any viewing of the birth certificate.
Obama, if that is his real name, had claimed for 16 years and 9 months that he was born in Kenya. Whether that is true or not is not the question as he was trying to sell books, but either way one or the other was a lie. Even his "wife" claimed that on two separate occasions, and that can be seen on YouTube.
Ah yes, and then there was the release of the cut and paste forgery of a birth certificate that came out at the release of Gerome Corsi's book on Obama.
Cruz even pointed to Obama as an example of not being born in the US and yet becoming President. Amazing what an Indonesian male prostitute can do these days.
The issue today is not about Obama, Sotero or whatever his real name is, but about the eligibility of Cruz.


As any person born on US territory being automatically natural born is incorrect. You must have both parents US citizens, and be born in the US territory. If you are born in Canada as Cruz was to two Canadian Citizens you are NOT natural born. Cruz's mother had to renounce her US Citizenship to become a Canadian which she was at the time of Ted's birth.

We just had a case against Cruz here in New Jersey decided by a judge that wondered what the founding fathers meant by "natural born". If as a judge he did not know that he should not be a judge. No, he simply kicked the can down the road. Though knowing the tactics of Cruz, and those behind him he may have been threatened or paid off.

Sorry that I do not have the link, but you can read up on "natural born" if you google "Einer R. Elhauge US Supremet Court Amicus brief, Ted Cruz not eligible as natural born citizen, Harvard, Law Professor, Former Chairman of Obama Antitrust Advisory Committee. It is actually New York Supreme Court Case 522647.

You can also look up Judge Masin's decision or lack there of in http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160413_Judge_says_Cruz_can_stay_on_N_J__primary_ballot.html

Again thank you.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "the evidence that you claim is overwhelming in Hawaii is sadly lacking. Perhaps we can ask Ms. Loretta Fuddy as she is the one who certified the birth certificate of Obama. Oh well she is no longer available for questioning as she was the only one of 9 that died when the plane crashed."

Answer: YOUR being poorly informed does not change the world, you know. It only shows that you are poorly informed. That's all. It is always useful to know THE FACTS.

First Fuddy:

Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama's birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin's), and all three of the others are still alive.

And Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are far more likely than the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate----when there isn't even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

BTW, she was over 65 years old, and her photos indicate she was hardly in great shape for a long swim.

smrstrauss said...

Okay, now the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Obama really was born in Hawaii, as shown by his HAWAII birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii).

Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that? Answer: Perhaps for the same reason that they led you to believe that Fuddy was the only one who confirmed Obama's birth certificate, and not one of FOUR, and that they did not mention the fact that she was over 65 and plump---to say the least.)

And there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on two microfilm rolls, one for each newspaper, both of which are in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

smrstrauss said...


Okay, the above is just a summary. Now, here are links to some of the facts (There are a great many MORE.):

Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-...

Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a strong supporter of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital (which, BTW, did exist at the time and with precisely the same name as on Obama's birth certificate, birther "research" on that having been wrong, as usual [Now, I wonder why?])

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0...

Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://...

Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi...

(And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

Here is the Index Data file:

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04...

Here is the handwritten note from the US INS inspector that says: "They have one child: Born HONOLULU" (and note that it is on Radio Patriot's site, a birther site):

https://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/breaking-news-obama-sr-was-an-illegal-immigrant-foia-reveals/

Moreover, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

So much for the birther myth that Obama was born in a foreign country (which has, BTW, the same motive behind it as the notion that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen).

Have you any idea how many presidents and vice presidents before Obama AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE had foreign parents? Answer: Two presidents, and at least one vice president, and in addition, the first presidential candidate of the Republican Party, John C. Fremont, proclaimed the fact that his father was not a US citizen and did not intend to be in his campaign biography----which he certainly would not have done if he had the notion that he had to have two citizen parents to be eligible (Fremont lost that election, but it was not because of the lack of Natural Born Citizen status). In addition, the "you gotta have two citizen parents" side brought their claim to some twenty appeals courts, and LOST in every single one of them----want to see some of the rulings????

Subterranean Homesick News said...

Thank you again for your comments, but please do not descend into calling me "poorly informed"' Your comments are respected, and will be researched in due time. Just one immediate question: who was Obama's father?

smrstrauss said...



Re: "Who was Obama's father?"

Answer: For legal purposes all that matters is that Barack Hussein Obama I is the name on the father column on Obama's birth certificate.

Birthers, for their own motives, claim that based on a SINGLE photograph, first: (1) Malcolm X was Obama's real father; (2) an Indonesian guy named Subud was Obama's real father; (3) a black guy named Davis was Obama's real father. But, guess what, two sides can play the "here's a single photo of a guy who looks somewhat like the candidate so he must be the real father" game, and I am storing up photos of guys who look somewhat like the Republican candidates.

And now, since I have answered your question. How about you answer mine?

What do you suppose was the motive behind birther sites posting three forged "Kenyan birth certificates" and a forged video in which they claim that Obama said that he was born in Hawaii"---but you cannot see his mouth move when he seems to say it (and the original of the video is available, and it does not mention Obama's place of birth at all)? What do you suppose the MOTIVE was behind birther sites posting a forged "Columbia University Student ID" that claims to show that Obama was a "foreign student"----only Columbia has never issued a student ID that identifies foreign students any differently than US students (so it was a dumb forgery, but the motive behind it remains----what do you suppose it might be?)

What do you suppose the motive was behind birther sites not telling you that after the expiration of the grandfather clause, Buchanan and Arther as well as Obama had foreign fathers who were never naturalized, and the same for vice president Spiro Agnew (whose mother was not a citizen either)? (Nor, of course, did they tell you about all the appeals courts who rejected the "you gotta have two citizen parents" theory either.)



smrstrauss said...

More than a week has passed, and Subterranean Homesick News has not answered my question yet.

smrstrauss said...

A month has passed, has passed, and Subterranean Homesick News has not answered my question yet.

Subterranean Homesick News said...

As I had previously said I will answer you in due time. Please understand that at the present time there are a few much more important projects that I am working on. This is not any indication of any disrespect to you, so please do not take it that way.
You may have noticed that during the last few weeks that there were far less articles posted to the blog. The reason for that is the other projects that I am working on besides trying to make a living.

smrstrauss said...

Another month has passed, more than two months in total, and Subterranean Homesick News has not answered my question yet.

Subterranean Homesick News said...

Okay, Tell me did Obama attend Columbia University? If you have proof please provide. Also how did Obama get a visa to get into Pakistan? What country issued him the visa,
Also have you read Jerome Corsi's book on Obama, or the two books on Obama written by Paul Street? If you have I would love to hear your comments on those.
Also what has his majesty done for you, and is America a better place now than it was in 2009 when he took over? If so how?
Again what did this man ever do in life What did he accomplish other than being SELECTED for the Presidency?
Who recommended him for Harvard Law School, and who asked him to recommend him?
What was the date and place of his marriage to Michele?
Just a few questions.
Please understand that I have quite a bit on my plate. Eventually I will write something, but I will not be put on your work schedule.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "Okay tell me..."

First, you were supposed to answer my question. Remember that?


Remember that Birther sites posted three forged "Kenyan birth certificates" and they forged a video in which Obama seemed to have said that he was born in Kenya (but you cannot see his mouth move, and the original of the video is available, and it does not mention Kenya or his place of birth at all). And they forged a "Columbia University student ID" that claims to show that Obama was registered as a foreign student, but Columbia has NEVER issued a student ID that identifies foreign students any differently than US students (and if you don't believe me, you can call them up and ask them), so it was a DUMB forgery, but the motive behind it remains, and it is obvious, and that is what you were asked about.

And birther sites lied and said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews, and in order to fool their visitors, they even cut off the tape recording of one of those three interviews on their sites, carefully cutting the tape just BEFORE she was asked where he was born and replied that it was in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time. (And they did not show the other two interviews at all, now I wonder why?)

The question to you was---why do you suppose did birther sites LIE like that and forge those documents? What do you suppose their motive was?

As for your first question. Yes, Obama did attend Columbia, and in fact he even graduated, and there is proof, and I'll show it when you answer my question.

As for you question about Obama's qualifications, it is perfectly right to vote against someone whom you don't believe had adequate qualifications. THAT however does not make the person born in a foreign country, and it certainly does not make it right to LIE about his place of birth in order to fool a few gullible people into believing that he was born in a foreign country.

smrstrauss said...

More than a month has passed and Subterranian Homesick News has not answered the question yet.

Subterranean Homesick News said...

Nor have you answered my questions, nor looked at many posting that shed light on your questions. I have no obligation to answer your question on your time line. I work on mine. So answer my questions, and peruse the posts.

smrstrauss said...

I did not answer your questions BECAUSE you did not answer my question, which was first---by far.

smrstrauss said...

Birther sites posted three forged "Kenyan birth certificates" and they forged a video in which Obama seemed to have said that he was born in Kenya (but you cannot see his mouth move, and the original of the video is available, and it does not mention Kenya or his place of birth at all). And they forged a "Columbia University student ID" that claims to show that Obama was registered as a foreign student, but Columbia has NEVER issued a student ID that identifies foreign students any differently than US students (and if you don't believe me, you can call them up and ask them), so it was a DUMB forgery, but the motive behind it remains, and it is obvious, and that is what you were asked about.

And birther sites lied and said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews, and in order to fool their visitors, they even cut off the tape recording of one of those three interviews on their sites, carefully cutting the tape just BEFORE she was asked where he was born and replied that it was in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time. (And they did not show the other two interviews at all, now I wonder why?)

The question to you was---why do you suppose did birther sites LIE like that and forge those documents? What do you suppose their motive was?